I dont really keep up with these groups, but it is interesting and sad to read about them. Any fool can use humor to be cruel and self-justifying, which is the only way I have ever seen him use it. Assertiveness, speaking her mind and being to-the-point about it, especially with men or concerning men, is not acceptable. I have been working on a book on his allosaur theft and I can assure you Christian mediation with a non-Christian dishonest man does not work. You know how sweet she is.. And given that I dont even want to read about it, Im certainly not going to pull up my socks and start writing about it. The cults of Bill Gothard and Doug Phillips. ok, I just dissociated when I proofread I forgot what I meant here, maybe something along the lines of lose their basic recall abilities. When I read your posts on a different thread, I figured that perhaps people were misinterpreting what you were sharing, as being on the perps side. Like many people, religious and non, he has a picture in his head of what a rape victim is and how she should behave that bears no relationship to reality but that conveniently absolves the rapist and others of responsibility. But I do see your overall point Joe, or I think I do that both sides might not be disclosing the full truth of what was going on, but it is possible that Douggie has never had his logical faculties challenged before, and might not be realizing just how much he could be hanging himself by his words. Its likely that Piper respects Wilson because he is awed by his raw capabilities and soothed by the right wording, whereas much of what is actually being said (via subterfuge) goes over his head. http://www.gocomics.com/thatababy/2012/03/07#.U101J_ldWSo. Looking forward to reading your research results. Those women look so submissive and subjugated. They are on the wrong side of this issue. Ive said the same about Jerry Seinfeld: I, and I believe most people on this blog, are inclined to believe the Plaintiff. Something that occurred to me as I skimmed through Wilsons ridiculously misogynistic post: girls and young ladies in this kooky patriarchal culture are put in a very awkward conundrum: they are brainwashed to unswervingly obey male authority figures in all things, but then when one of these male authority figures has a moral failure, the poor ladies are held accountable for failing to usurp him! I appreciate your input, which expands my thinking. That has to be the worst thing I have ever heard.) IMO this urge appears to be a huge driving force in humans. Another interesting item. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Even Vision Forum proven they are in the heathen and publician spot, by covering for him and ignoring multiple warnings and writings from the church at large that their teachings are unbiblical. You, in fact, may mean well. So the extreme fringe has been pattering around on the supposedly non-extreme sites for some time. But despite her continued presence and availability, the complaint alleges that during the entire time she was incapable of giving consent. It says this because it is clear that there were instances where she did give consent, and her attorney wants to say that she was in effect in the position of a minor when she did so. Can I get this on a T-shirt somewhere? Think compliant doormat among other things. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics". Phillips and his wife Beall met at college, where Doug Phillips ran a Christian newspaper and Beall ran a ministry to unwed mothers called Alternatives to Abortion. And part of that life includes her marriage to writer, director, and producer Marc Silverstein (via CheatSheet ). She had quirky ideas about the source and spread of HIV, and what the medical and ministry communities should do about it. Nonetheless we are confident and thankful that he will never extinguish the light of the Gospel which is proclaimed with every breath of the folks who follow Wartburg Watch. An innovation is that Trinitarianism is evolving into semi- Arianism as an extension of complementarianism. This is what I imagine it might be like. And just to be clear on one thing. Doug Phillips' Resignation from Vision Forum, http://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2012/11/doug-wilson-almost-channels-eric-cartman.html, http://cryingoutforjustice.com/2012/10/11/abuse-and-the-wilsonian-theology-a-survivors-story/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Redoubt, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wesley_Rawles, http://kbotkin.com/2014/04/22/vice-victims-and-doug-wilson/#comment-3602, https://web.archive.org/web/20071011032036/http://www.dougsplotch.com/blackjack.htm, http://www.newwest.net/main/article/two_child_molestation_scandals_break_over_moscows_christ_church/, Lourdes Torres-Manteufel vs Doug Phillips Lawsuit Informational Resource Page | Spiritual Sounding Board, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.survivalblog.com/2009/04/letter-re-another-patriots-boo.html, http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.survivalblog.com/2013/06/notes-from-jwr-686.html, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjoNucs20Vw, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sault%20ste.%20marie, http://frombitterwaterstosweet.blogspot.com/2011/02/keep-sweet-conspiracy.html, http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+1&version=NASB, =#comment-140951 title=Go to comment of this author>Rafiki, http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4018&t=KJV, http://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/sobbin-women-and-a-rubber-duck-ellynns-story/, http://www.yourerie.com/news/news-article/d/story/baca-taking-a-stand-against-child-abuse/20952/EdDOsC1UJ0CvKJj3yjbXhA, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z_UUNSskzU&feature=em-share_video_user, Doug Wilson Says Slavery Was Good For Americas Blacks. Doug Phillips Bio Doug Phillips is a father of 3 and a husband to his brilliant wife, Becca. One of his board, Don Hart helped protect him from losing his law license and he didnt have any accountability in his church. He neglected to hear the church. Theological views that were considered passe generations ago. Heres 1 Cor. It is derived from the initials U.P. etc. And of course it almost always ends with sexual misconduct which comes quite naturally to those who choose to worship the creature (themselves) over the creator. Thanks to the Deebs and everyone for the safe space here. He is also a leader in Reconstructionism. How I wish we would again understand that so that we could at least set our children free. Frankly I can read academic papers about Greek and Hebrew (which are in alphabets I cant even read) and get more out of them. Netflix scored with "Murder Mystery," a 2019 comedy starring Jennifer Aniston and Adam Sandler as a married couple that unwittingly solved a crime while vacationing in Europe. Fear is a huge component in these circles fear of the government, fear of public schools, etc. When will it end as conservative become radical becomes heretical? Slavery is mentioned in the Bible. She told him no, which would mean she told him his fault when alone. The affair with Lourdes was discussed for quite a long time. First, I find it ironic that someone who seems so steeped in Mosaic Law and theological legalism as Mr. Wilson does not seem to understand legal reasoning. My father was quieter than Doug, not really that interested in fame, but he had a similar roving mind and sadism that caused the parsonage to be like what Rosemary writes: Many people have good reason to fear him.There is a miasma of mean-spirited bitterness that hangs over the Kirk like a thunder cloud which emphasizes their election and our damnation.. The insubordination of an uncovered woman (signifying her refusal recognize the authority of her husband) would offend the angels who observe the conduct of believers in their church gatherings I peter1:12 according to Charles Ryrie, Here is what 1 Peter 1:12 actually says according to Bible Gateway: This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. Exaggerate much?). But something either gets lost in translation, or he really is just delusional about funny he is(nt). 452 following. Well, his books have become NYT best sellers. Its an affectation and it drives me nuts. I live in the south for my work. I tried to interject something about Matt Chancey, who won that Old Spice Man of the Year competition some years back, but no one seems to be commenting on it. ! I dont know if that makes any sense at all. He has brought harm to many folks around the country. Stollar, HA Community Coordinator. Challenged on his support for the seminary student, Wilson claimed that the case was more complicated and that he knew facts he couldnt reveal. All those war metaphors mean something around Wilson. Shortly after news broke about the legal action against Doug Phillips, et al, by his alleged victim, Doug Wilson chimed in with a post entitled Vision Forum and Confessing Your Virtues. Thank you for the insights re: Doug Wilson and the Moscow community. I tried all sorts of small things when I was being abused, while also filled with shame and aware that any open attempt would be met with condemnation. Havoc and mayhem *inevitably* followed her. LONG LIVE BIG BROTHER! Would that be the same American Redoubt that Christian survivalist James Wesley Rawles tells people to relocate to? It is considered sexual harassment hen a superior-one who holds the cards has authority over a lower ranked individual. Yeah. Its trajectory, as we see demonstrated by erudite characters from Dan Browns *The DaVinci Code,* is to the maxim that only smart people count. Or the theological version is, Spiritual maturity equates to maximum amount of correct doctrine.. Go figure. Theres worse things. And its what warns me to stay away from DW. Its not that he is witty so much as that its the only intellectual endeavor he values. Q: What is it that Wilson gives them in return in order to maintain his hold? Marie2 wrote: His wife was dutifully sitting by his side. I think part of the dynamic of what drew/draws people to Doug Wilson is the *appearance* of erudition. And then we have semi Arian and even Arianism rearing its head. Jamie Otis and Doug Hehner are the original Married at First Sight success story. But, assuming that timeline is relatively accurate and complete, there apparently were multiple times and various kinds of confrontations of Doug Phillips by Torres family members, by church members, by Vision Forum friends and former workers, etc. Hey, I used cad but in the really bad sense. Aug. 11 2021, Published 3:32 p.m. I mean, bless your heart, you seem to have missed what is going on here. Until a judge or jury hears testimony from those involved, and the claims are subject to cross examination, we should not invest ourselves in a particular factual scenario coming out. HEs the one holding the whip, so that makes it Godly. For some reason people like to heap backhanded praise upon their enemies in this culture: I may disagree with X, he may be quite dangerous, but hes quite a [fill in praise here]. Their book was endorsed by Dorothy Patterson around the time that the homemaking program was established at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. Or even what youre talking about? But I knew and used the word before then and actually, Ive used forms of the word scotomatous before too, in writings about the problems of perception and misperception in understanding paradigms, or some yadda-yadda topic like that. Ive always hoped the girls were able to get out. EVERYONE! 2. A 13yo can give verbal consent to sex too, but that doesnt make it any less statutory rape legally. Here is more fake mutuality, in the New York Times: Connecticut Teenager Is Fatally Stabbed by Fellow Student, Police Say, Investigators are looking into reports that a dispute over the junior class prom prompted the attack that killed Maren Sanchez, 16. All rights reserved. Phillips resigned as president of Vision Forum on October 30, 2013 after acknowledging a "lengthy relationship with a woman" which was "inappropriately affectionate and romantic." These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. The more public the figure, the more public the rebuke. My children accuse their father and me of raising them this wayHold still while I pull you head our of your ***. I pray they dont attend the churches/meetings of leaders like this. The problem with the word sweet is that as soon as a woman can no longer be described with the word sweet, she is suddenly disqualified. Sault Ste Marie Yet, it would be wise for us to reserve ulitmate judgment. Ah, well, Ill shut up now. And that is something that Doug Wilson should learn, also. Ill explain further in another comment. When its pointed out, he either ignores it or perhaps adds another trailer of explanation while pouring on the scorn. People expressed concern about her within this closed community. Thanks Brad! Humans choose what they perceive to be strong leadership, be that smart or ruthless or successful or handsome or whatever. hope youre enjoying the coffee in the moderation cafe!! Many apologies if I appear to be on someones side who is on the side of the monster. He enjoys making people feel like crap. Carson article on the Gospel Coalition website, and I saw a prominently placed ad for this website on the right side of the page: Moderately unrelated comment, but I just had to share this: The fact that he is much older, married, and her employer, for one. She is to be admired for trying to survive, and for finally mustering the courage to tell the truth even though she likely knew that she would be blamed. We contacted Dougs board and none of them would even look at the volumes of evidence we had against Doug. My prayer for those under the sway of Doug Wilson is that the Holy Spirit does something to shake them up to see that contempt dehumanizes and is sin, contentiousness divides and is sin, and they need to find other role models who manifest the peace of Christ and the grace of God instead of the idolatry of this substitute. And it physically cows others who fall into orbit. If she does, its likely not going to court for a while, then therell likely be an appeal and the final resolution of this matter might not be for years. I dont care how cute, how helpful, a young nanny was in the household, her presence there did not cause any emotional and/or physical maniupulation of her life. From the head covering site. I dont believe its easy to tell ones story, whether online, in person, or one-on-one in a secure bunker. do you have any idea how big a piece of the survivalist pie Rawles has? I suppose its to be expected when a group separates itself from the larger world, believing that out there is sin and in here is safe, assuming that they only have the truth (and the whole truth, too) and anything they dont know doesnt really exist except as sin. Yes! And snarkiness is better suited to power-hunger, which drives him. Yes, she was declared not guilty by the court but I still believe that she was guilty in part because I followed the case carefully. Could these presuppositions possibly be faulty? None of them were willing to resign when the Christ Church arranged wedding of serial pedophile Steven Sitler to a young woman who attended New Saint Andrews College was celebrated in 2011. But sweet when applied to an adult female usually carries the meaning of childish, rather simple minded and insipid and somebody on whom the scut work can be dumped and she will let that happen to her. I am a Quaker. The start of 2020 was a rollercoaster for the TV star who came out as gay during a live interview with Holly Willoughby just weeks before England was plunged into a national lockdown following the outbreak of Coronavirus, despite being married to his wife Stephanie Lowe for 27 years . The majority of them are tied economically to Wilsons little empire. It does not store any personal data. It is interesting to reflect back to what Doug Wilson wrote shortly after Phillips resigned. Im not sure what youre getting at here. I wrote Hester that Doug interests me because he is like my father was. She could be an in-demand speaker, author, or just live like a hermit. Theres research suggesting that the sociopaths who make it up the social ladder (most dont because they cant keep this side of the law) are more intelligent than the average citizen. It was simply a generic lash out at an ethos that will be our undoing one day if were not careful. @ Marie2: Until then, please take my family off your membership list immediately. Here is an excerpt from that post: I know that everyone in the world right now is freaking out about the Doug Philips scandal, and to be honest, the whole thing grosses me out so much that I dont even want to read about it. According to Julie Annes information over at Spiritual Sounding Board, the Christian arbitration thing has been tried before with Phillips (I think it might have been with the Joe Taylor mess). But when compared to, say, Gary North, James Dobson, John Piper, Al Mohlerwell, at least theres something going on in Doug W. Maybe thats it. I will tell the moderation Barista to order more tea 4 ya..Dear Hubby says that its herbal beverage cuz theres no actual tea . one wonders if Little Bear Wheeler still believes in what his . I just want to weigh in here with regard to the comments about Wilson being an intellectual. It eventually came back up. As Bessey notes, the low-budget indie . My apology to you too Marie. Doug told HollywoodLife why he's "beyond grateful" after Jamie opened up about her concerns. Trust Doug Wilson to get everything as wrong as possible. The disclosure has been the thing, and a lawsuit verdict wont change that. Groups need leadership. The perps did that. Hester, what people think is comedy has always been so interesting to me. This is also why I dont like seeing this thing referred to as an affair, or as adultery. Why would we not do that? The fact that he is much older, married, and her employer, for one. One irony here is that when Jesus was alive, he disappointed many for not being militaristic enough. It makes me sad to see Sproul Sr. endorsing this. He began writing about film at age 48, doing film reviews for conservative . 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