African thought. Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. She claimed an alien starship commander had originally shown it to her. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. He allegedly found the distances "to be nearly equal to one another" -- although no quantitative definition of "nearly equal" was ever offered. Ridpath concludes that any information that resembles the facts about Sirius was probably ascertained by way of cultural contamination. Cook some soul food. Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. One of the problems the UFO crowd has is providing an answer to the question of where the aliens who visit us come from. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Temple claims that bas-reliefs of the Sumerian demigod Oannes, which depict a "fish man," prove Nommo, whom the author identifies as the ancestor of the Dogon Nommo myths, was an amphibious extraterrestrial. Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria And as to good manners, Temple for his part has never answered any of my own personal letters asking for clarification and explanation of controversial points. the Sirius "Mystery". Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. To be specific they sound like the kinds of astronomical conclusions one might draw from studying the heavens through a small portable telescope. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". Speculation about the Dogon on numerous websites is now mingled with fact, leading to wide misunderstanding among the public about Dogon mythology. If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational Griaule and Dieterlen's claims, to fit his fantastic story. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Investigating [8][9], In 1978, astronomer Ian Ridpath observes, in an article in the Skeptical Inquirer, "The whole Dogon legend of Sirius and its companions are riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally. the Sirius "Mystery" by Ian Ridpath, Skeptical Inquirer, Fall Based on Carrolls website (skepdic.com), the Dictionary is the definitive short-answer debunking of nearly every thing skeptical. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Broca's Brain (New York: Random House, 1979), Ask about whatever you want with our Free Rune Readings! 30-31. Griaule," Current Anthropology 32, 1992, pp. This is a complicated issue, because several special interest groups each claim the Dogon for their own. So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. Whew! [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. Randi, James. In 1977 two radio astronomers were interested enough in the Sirius mystery to direct their telescopes at the star system in hopes of picking up any artificial radio signals. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. himself and his loose speculations on what he learned from Griaule, who The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the E. "Ancient Astronauts," in, McDaid, Liam. Though Temples work was challenged, at its core lay the original anthropological study of the Dogon by Griaule and Dieterlen, who describe the secret knowledge of Sirius B and Sirius C in their own book The Pale Fox. The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. But that isn't the only parallel. For Siwa, I called Dr. Farouk EI-Baz of the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, and his maps showed it at 25.50 degE, 29.22 degN (that's the oasis center, with the modern town about ten kilometers SE). Used under aCreative Commons license. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. James, P., N. Thorpe, and I. J. Thorpe. Europeans too talked about the discovery of a third star in the Sirius system; later investigations, however, ruled out that possibility. The cartographer took all such factors into account. One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. Lets start with the first idea, proffered by Robert Temple.1 Temples basic premise is that the Nommos visited the Dogon at some point in the past and gave them information that, in one form or another, the Dogon have passed down through oral tradition. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. by Liam McDaid. Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that Whatever their place in the search for extraterrestrial contact, the Dogon myths are certainly odd. interpreter. And does the Dogon mythology ever really say that Nommo, the founder In 1966, Temple then aged 21 became Secretary of Youngs Foundation for the Study of Consciousness. One group says the Dogon got their information from aliens from the Sirian system called Nommos. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Subscribe to eSkeptic: our free email newsletter and get great podcasts, videos, reviews and articles from Skeptic magazine, announcements, and more in your inbox once or twice a week. ), There were Giants in the earthin those days Genesis 6:1. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? The Dogon People Revisited.. ", Temple replied in Fate: "The pattern published in my book was drawn by a professional cartographer who earns his living by drawing reliable maps for an international corporation." The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. ", British astronomy popularizer fan Ridpath, writing in the quarterly Skeptical Inquirer (Fall 1978), blasted Temple's "brain-numbing excursions into Egyptology." Using spherical trig, I got 612.3 km for the Siwa-Behdet leg and 654.8 km for the Thebes-Behdet. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. This of course would destroy the modern influence explanation totally. Am I getting too picky here? It is also the home of the brightest star in the night sky, Sirius A. [6] The claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. (OK, I'll bite--but if such a star is not discovered, Temple has risked no converse conclusions. We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: Where did they get this knowledge, he asks, if not from Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. contact with some ugly, amphibious* sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. The Dogons were not isolated. of Griaule informants, had ever heard or understood that Sirius was a Carl. The Pleiades are sometimes mentioned, but this is not possible. A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. The alleged visitors from outer space The so-called "Sirius Mystery" can easily be explained by a transfer of knowledge from European visitors during that time period - and we know for a fact that several major visits by astronomers actually occurred during that time. Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. These same myths, Temple claims, identify a planet circling that star as the home of Nommo, an alien creature who founded the Dogon civilization. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. The position of the African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part ofthe Sirius tore." But from whom? Paranormal, ed. Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific But Sagan then finds both astronomical and mythological holes in the hypothesis. by Philip Coppens. But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. But that doesn't stop Temple. (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. Other ancient astronomical records make no mention of Sirius being red. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. 139-167. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. But other observers disagree. In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely He also gives public talks on astronomy and related fringe topics to international audiences. It is important to look at the assumptions and implications of the claims made about the Dogon. The Skeptics Society is a non-profit, Sagan, Carl 1980. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. The proof is supplied by (the Odyssey), where Helios is said to possess 7 herds of 50 cows each and 7 herds of 50 sheep, a transparent allegory of the days and nights of the year.") Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. None were detected, That was not surprising since, judging from the age and energy of the stars in the Sirius system, astronomers believe it is unlikely that any earthlike planets could exist there long enough for life to emerge and develop. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin The biggest challenge to Griaule, however, came from anthropologist Walter Van Beek. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. And from what star system does the visitor come? In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. The Dogon and Sirius. As anthropologists have known for a long time, primitive tribes have a remarkable talent for absorbing interesting new stories into their traditional mythology. When Walter van Beek studied the Dogon, he Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Sagan suggests, however, that that civilization was Such is the case with the Dogon a West African people and their supposed advanced and inexplicable knowledge of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule Webplanet earth. Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. Figure 2. Sounds like you're grasping at straws. When I set him a draft of a sharply critical review written for Astronomy magazine, he replied with a blistering counterattack in a letter to my editor: "A virulent attack against my honesty, integrity, and intelligence," he called my review. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Ridpath asserts. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. The Dogon. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. That's one major characteristic of classical pseudo-science, its ability to incorporate any result and its ability to be immune from disproof from any result. In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Griaule either Liam McDaid is Astronomy Coordinator and Professor of Astronomy at Sacramento City College. The Dogon. -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). complete diagram that the Dogon showed to the French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who were the original Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. Skeptic. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes var d=new Date();var n=d.toLocaleDateString();var t=d.toLocaleTimeString(); document.write(n + "
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