So when comparitve newcomer Paul withstood Cephas to his face because he stood to be condemned per Galatians 2:11-14, some may have seen it as slamming one of Gods anointed. The founding couple died, and the board got rid of those naughty kids and grandkids. Please dont judge Nancys actions she did what most women would do. To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. And once thats done, the only way to survive is to seize the throne Myself. If WC folds, its a clear indication. That length is reserved for the husband/wife relationship, comforting someone, or greeting someone close whom you havent seen in a long time. That is a mistake. @ dee: And Im 49, a loudmouth, professionally trained in safeguarding& so on. 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). I now see how this happened for years, and I never saw it. The existence of an impartial documented history of 2 years worth of 1150 emails between Bill and the other woman is stark corroboration. Do not be the disciple with the sword. #metoo. The scripture I quoted was word for word out of the bible. A seminary student molested a bunch of boys at my former church. I would add that based upon reactions of his followers here, it becomes more obvious why. Maybe He is cleaning house. But if true it is still not honorable behavior. Why the need to put pastors in a special untouchable category? Uh oh..then we are in trouble. But of course, youve been trained up in the world of megas, where vapid sayings take the place of the Bible. Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priests servant, cutting off his right ear. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. The task is to not establish and maintain environments where such people can abuse without danger of being held accountable. He is the founder and CEO of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), one of the most powerful and influential organizations globally. It is hard enough fighting rampant sex abuse in churches. An accusation could hurt the church, the members and even Christianity. Its the evil person who masquerades as a good person. The elders at Willow Creek Community Church tonight sent an email to congregants, stating that the church is "heartbroken" over the "abuse" of a congregant. Do adults really need to know the details of the sleep-overs or the email content before drawing a conclusion? In 2014, Leanne Mellado let me know that a good friend of hers had shared a disturbing story. I believe Nancy Ortberg and I also believe the other victims who have come forward. Try to respond like Jesus might and you will be let through. Again, I thought not much more of that conversation until years later when other stories emerged that included Ambien. You know, Bill Hybels for two decades or more promoted himself as the one with a system that would revolutionize the church and make it relevant. Thanks Dee. 3 comments are deleted. Given the name Cephas, walking on water (for a time), given the keys of the kingdom and the charge to strengthen the brethren and feed the Lords sheep, speaking out on Pentecost after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, sharing the Gospel with Cornelius and the Gentiles, and everything else listed in Acts 1-15. I would not attend a church where I knew the pastor behaved like that. And while Hybels coached men to abide by the so-called "Billy Graham rule"never being alone with a women he was not married tohe often broke that rule, according to the Tribune. not for this long. I dont see how Willow Creek can move forward with the existing board. The one about J. Ortberg? Redemption. All so sad! why is she running alone with a man she supposedly feels uncomfortable around? Surrounded by sycophants, who knew better. In the seeker world, it tends to mean numbers, programs, etc. I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). Excuse me? I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. Ive been thinking along similar lines for a few days, and its relevance to the question, How could this happen in whats been consider a pioneering egalitarian church?. And why on earth is this even a discussion? And why on earth is this even a discussion? I know men who are capable of hugging without copping a feel I do not know the answer to this question but red flags are waving up, down and all around this situation. And my guess is the elders dont know either. I have said his actions with women have been wrong and they are disqualifying for a man of the Gospel. This is exactly what you would expect from some Neo-pharisee trying to hide his sin from the world. I dont know if that all makes sense. My assessment is that the entire leadership there at Willow Creek needs to be held accountable and the base must face this issue with appropriate consequences. @ Bridget: If the situation at the top remains insular, one doesnt find out what friendly financial terms are struck, and before you know it, the heat dies down and the PayPal accounts go live for those not of retirement age, and the book deals resume for them as well as the retirees. We experience the aftermath to this day. I know. We NEED a full and unbiased accounting. I think the rule of thumb is that for every person who complains, there are 15-20 more that dont just because of the hassle and expectation nothing will change. Ill assume you mean well and are somewhere back in that stage where youre still denying. Why do one in three Christian marriages end in divorce? Willow Creek does not need the current crop of leaders. I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Brad Brucker: Got any other people of substance who would vouch for you? Its rarely what people are told to believe it is. STOP TAKING THE STUFF! IM HEIR TO HIS THRONE! You get a time out. You watch a kid in a souped up car on the highway darting in and out at excessive speeds and say I hope he gets picked up.. Whats His true name you should know youve written a lot of books, etc and been a pastor for a very long time. Heinous, but nice. Ever. These are tools, and can be applied to any agenda just change the talking points. People will walk away from Jesus Christ because Billy Hybels is not who they thought he was? We have preached a get of jail free gospel of buy the ticket and everything is as if it never happened. Refuse to settle for eloquent lechers. I worked for a large pharmaceutical firm. Home; NEWS; Actress; . The way it worked with all of these people is very similar to the way it worked with us. (ed deleted link). If it doesnt recur, people often try to dismiss it as an aberration. And every word in it, every allegation, is completely irrelevant to the issues that forced Bill Hybels into an early retirement. Those are, in my opinion, less the goals than the tools used to achieve the real goals, which I am guessing are not the spiritual health of the Body of Christ. I know, Ive been there. She was running with him outside. I read it Daily and Journal too. No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist!. . Hybels told her he had taken Ambien to give himself an excuse for not remembering all the wrongs he had done and said to her that night in his room. Is it even possible that one leads to the other, as the power dynamic created by abuse is addictive? Some more publicly than others. To be in on developing and overseeing the budget? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa0EtdtPi8w. Wailing Wall-Satanic Ritual? Never being offended. The issue with those who had represented themselves before God and man as being in a place of spiritual authority with the responsibility to be above reproach often have escaped civil or criminal conviction or any sort of permanent admission of guilt or shortcoming for which repentance is called. I doubt you get the same affect from creepy weirdo hugs. But I can certainly tell when a guy does it to cop a feel. How many people do you need to hurt with your judgement and accusations before it is enough? Its The guy at church who wants a side hug. Why not go public 4 years ago?? The plastic fish on the car in the church parking lot purchased at the church gift store. I know I already plugged Barbs reviews of Don Hennesseys work, but Ill say again he also describes this process really well (in the context of domestic abuse.). One of the grandkids hugs on the yorkiepoo all the time. Ok whats wrong with this picture?? It took her 40 years(!) I find it ironic Jodi thinks she is helping Billy. I sat on a committee for two years which did nothing but brainstorm ways to increase retention rates and decrease progression time through our programsour biggest nightmare was the student who didnt get connected to some group, we knew they were likely to get lonely, drop out, go back to their hometown and become a settled-in townie. Read Paul on Mars hill. Just went through the same unity emphasis, as if pointing out items needing accountability, oversight and review constituted disunity or unwarranted lack of confidence in church leadership. Go back to JBs April 16 comment. How would I know. Even the word Unity really means conformity. Many of them rented out old Walmart stores and added satellite campuses with downlinks. Good grief, until this minute I had no idea there was such a thing as a hug culture. I would thank that their legal counsel would have ensured that documents (including emails) from all board members, staff, and other employees would need to be preserved, in case of legal/criminal issues arising. Christ truely cared about the underdog, and did not like religious leaders that abused their positions. I know a lot of people who just want Christian life to be perfect and they will use every type of denial tactic to believe thats true. * Now, it all falls into place: Wow, Im not the only person this happened to. This was real. This was wrong.. As I say if he had a true understanding of what his behavior had done he might give the kind of apology that these women want. Now that these accusations are coming out in the open, some women have doubts that the skeptics will acknowledge the body of evidence about his behavior, and confront their own preconceived beliefs. Someday you may well find out what a fool you have been. This is MBA stuff. I thought it was weird when my friends dads would kiss my cheek but I recognized that was a cultural difference really and let it be. If youre interested in seeing whether I qualify, you can check out my main blog to see what I write about. But thats over the course of 42 years of ministry! And of course, the crisis management priority hangs over all of this. I dont want to think poorly of John Ortberg too. Youre not alone Lyds. Thanks, Julie! That said, this is all so tragic. Is Lynne Hybels Still Married To Bill Yes. [ https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=28151%5D. And, are most people blowing this thing up bigger than it is. Not even the great prophets got such responses. some Rabbi from Nazareth. Read the Bible Dee. Hybels condemned himself. After you were told by Bill that you dressed like a college professor and needed to dress appropriately for your position, I was the one asked to get you new clothing. Gossip! No one knows. At what point did Nancy inform her husband? And it still doesnt negate what Bill Hybels did, even if it were to be true. I dont see this issue is white or black hats. I hope they will be held accountable and step down. I was so sorry to learn about all of this yesterday and Willow Creek Church. By . This is just how we do; I dont know. . Come Lord Jesus! I leave all matters of *who is and who is not a real Christian* In the capable hands of the One who has a higher pay grade. Anti-semitic ? They sounded clearly clueless about the price and pain that Hybels' behavior inflicted on his victims. ), you come across as naive, profoundly ignorant. Narcissistic, abusive leaders are masterful manipulators, and even the most intelligent, cynical, questioning people can be taken under their spell without knowing it has happened. Kids will tell you straight up, but I kind of treat them like stray cats and let them come to me! Again, the new york . This fact is well known to those who are around sexual abuse/misconduct situations. Oh dear. Because it was not entirely clear what happened. I truly hope that WCC reexamines who they are. I guess you are not aware of the president for whom Hybels was a spiritual advisor. Interesting, as it goes after comments (he said bad words) and some situations, offering a perspective, all engineered to shape the perspective regarding Hybels. Sometimes I wonder if it is not their worst enemy. It would seem somewhat of a legal issue to go around wiping documents and videos, no? Nothing brings the True Believer attack dogs out of the woodwork like even the hint of Blasphemy against their REAL god. The entire Gospel is predicated on the fact that we are sinners and that we are going to be sinners until we go home. But what does that have to do with her testimony? I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. @ Davis and Natasha: Jesus Christ is the assessory. Sad! This includes a majority Christian circle. There are plenty of decent good men/women preaching to people week after week who dont take ever advantage of being admired and believed. Among the prominent U.S. and Palestinian church voices who spoke was Lynne Hybels, co-founder with her pastor husband Bill of the Chicago area Willow Creek Church, which itself spawned a . This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. But if you read Jodies clever rant, take ortberg name out of the picture and just think about what the culture was like there. By your own philosophy of hugging then i would assume that the women who are complaining about Hybels hugging behavior also know the difference and therefore they are utterly correct in their objections to his behavior. The statement was wrong in every way and since there is a great possibility that the group is very concerned and just seeking truth. He has two children with his wife, Lynn whom he married in 1974. The important thing is to get people on the bandwagon, and manipulate them to maintain their undying love and loyalty. Gossip! Barton co-authored with John Ortberg Ordinary Day With Jesus, which clearly instructs readers in mystical prayer practices. This writing clearly shows John Ortbergs sympathies to this New Age spirituality. I have been doing some background checking into this. That isnt good for anyone. Hybels was slated to retire from his position at Willow Creek in October 2018; however, he resigned in April 2018 after allegations of sexual misconduct were made against him. I suspect (although I dont know for sure) that a hug creates a higher dose of oxytocin. To me its a faux and phony culture that cant get over itself. Eloquence is a gift from God, but it is only the Holy Spirit working through the folly of proclaiming Christ crucified that ever won a single soul. I felt something was amiss with the email story when I first heard about it. And I go back to one of my earlier assertions about celebrity. who originally wrote plastic jesus - is lynne hybels still married to bill - is lynne hybels still married to bill 20 years later Ive served in ministry as well as a school administrator for small and very large public high schools. Steve Carter (Hybels hand picked teaching padtor) does not have the best reputation either. When we finally did start talking, everyone called us liars. Even then, she was ashamed about what happened to her, as if it was her fault. Its a thing now. I think people are starting to realize that even if someone starts out with good intentions, when they get power and money, they tend to be corrupted. Not that hugs are linked to drugs; I am just meandering. There are no winners here. Really? @ dee: Dee, If you arent a hugger, you arent a hugger. Church Discipline Thanks, all! At this same meeting, Bill was asked about his special arrangement with I.T., where his emails are permanently deleted on a frequent and regular basis. I hope so. In my opinion this is sufficient proof to logically and reasonably conclude that Bill Hybels is guilty of clergy sexual misconduct and adultery, over an extended period of time. I believe God will welcome Bill into heaven with open arms for the positive work he has done. I think it compounds the problem when so many mega churches are unaffiliated with a denomination and/or have sprung up and had only ONE pastor (or lead pastor) for their entire church history. You just described me. If you note, the hotel rooms in these narratives were suites and meetings were being held in those rooms. Having Church in your club title does not necessarily mean it is the Bride of Christ. More than we know. How many church leaders are not of His sheep ? I understand the victim mentality, I have been a victim, but his repentance has little to do with the womens healing. In the book, Turn the Ship Around David Marquet writes: Leadership should mean giving control rather than taking control and creating leaders rather than forging followers. Power is at the top but information is with the hands-on bottom levels of a hierarchy. In the meantime, Crossway is still publishing and selling C.J. Have you any clue how prideful this sounds? Lets pretend we know what we are doing., When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time. Maya Angelou. JIHAD! But it is also more than ethics here. In the meantime, Crossway is still publishing and selling C.J. These people are the living proof. 3:6, but you gloss over that because really, at the end of the day, in spite of all your preening about your great knowledge of the Koine Greek (proud, haughty, so like your master, eh? The old Soviet government arrested and jailed Christians. 40 years of it. This is a crucial part of dealing with horrors of abuse. Which God/god Bill ? Exactly. What do you think that Rabbi from Tarsus meant when he wrote For Satan himself can transform himself to appear as an Angel of Light? but 4 YEARS went by, even after John Ortberg tried to have the Willow Elders handle this 4 years Nancy Ortberg still didnt speak out. I get it bothers you. Lynne Hybels and Bill Hybels have two grown children, Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels, and one son-in-law, Aaron Niequist.. So thats why I was interested in this concept. Children The couple has two children. So much for their Christian wittiness, huh? Every believer has a unique calling. Once, while Mr. Hybels's wife, Lynne, and. In my 9 years of writing a blog which deals with abuse issues, I have been deeply upset by the responses of Christians when their celebrity church or pastor have been shown to have clay feet. Id just as soon do away with megas altogether, and I doubt anybody would even try either, but it might be better than placing the popularity of a church on a single person. Please dont judge Nancys actions she did what most women would do. As we said in Old School D&D about 3rd-level spells, You can do a lot more damage with one Suggestion in the right place than a dozen Fireballs.. That was Pauls charge to Timothy. Betrayal, trust, etc. Dee and Jack know so little. Its about truth, loving others, the actual fruits of the Spirit, obedience to the Lord. Contemplative Spirituality can be clearly defined this way: Contemplative Spirituality: A belief system that uses ancient mystical practices to induce altered states of consciousness (the silence) and is rooted in mysticism and the occult but often wrapped in Christian terminology. Bill Hybels Family. If theyve discontinued publishing/reprinting his works, they did so without any public notice that Im aware of, and wouldve taken them well over a year. Because I handled it in the moment (As she did with her push away response to Hybels) And it worked. Think about it. To all those women that have been psychologically damaged, what a needless tradegy. For most organizations, hard questions and analytical thinking is NOT desirable, as it will almost always challenges the official orthodoxy and might even unmask hidden agendas. But, years of playing the great man on stage can be a very powerful armor. Thanks, Barbara, for your outstanding work. But I now see how he used his relationship with me as a shield, both during and after our marriage, so no one would question his relationships with other women or scrutinize his writing as anything other than feminist. Is it even possible that one leads to the other, as the power dynamic created by abuse is addictive? Peter loved Jesus and responded in anger- causing physical harm to Malchus. Her pastor said that her body belonged to her husband and he could do whatever he wanted to do. Young people are buying cuddle items. It comes out. (Exod. How can you say to your brother, Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye, when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. When was the last time you led someone to Jesus? Well, it is a known fact that Hybels is a married man. Our job is to sow seeds. Email a description of the experience to yourself right away while details are fresh. Perhaps its just honest ignorance, perhaps its denial. This is a serious question we all need to ask ourselves about our own churches. There is a reason that big names get away with so much. Our job is to call. It is easy for me to be critical (it may be my spiritual gift) but I do join with Dee in praying for the church. Dont ever close the door to the tutoring office if a student is in there *especially female students. January 28, 2020 8:39 pm. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-willow-creek-pastor-20171220-story.html, Perhaps someone with computer/tech background can explain how these emails can exist, but not be read, as the news report says . He didnt seem to follow Yahwehs rules much anyway. I wonder if churches have convinced themselves of the same. . Alcohol made me do it (Perry Nobel) Even worse, you can be shamed/shuned, and called lukewarm for your honest questioning of what you experienced/think. Some of how he came across might also be that to some extent, he too has been a victim of at least some lies and misconstrued intentions. Bill was born on March 1, 1948 to Dr. Joseph and Evelyn LaBarre. The answer is quite simple. Jodi may want to keep her resume refreshed. Its the same thing my university wrings their hands over. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+5&version=NIV, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. There are some 20 gifts mentioned in Scripture (Romans 12, Ephesians 4, 1 Corinthians 1213). @ okrapod: Should Christians be carrying around tally sheets-How many did I lead to Christ this week? The Gospels that I read portray a Jesus that constainly questioned the established and told parables about what is moral that makes you walk away and think. The kids tried to sue the board to no avail. And Jesus does not need Willow Creek. We have some good news to give to the world. So, what led to the divorce? "Willow Creek is known for its health and vitality as a faith community," he said. Lets go a little deeper. Bill and Lynne Hybels draw on their own personal experience and a guiding faith to offer practical advice on how to enjoy a lifetime of togetherness -- from finding a suitable mate and dealing with the most common marital problems to avoiding the pitfalls that can sabotage a healthy relationship. These have what I think are some significant parallels from which to consider some larger patterns. They often wonder, Did that really just happen? What really just happened? Am I interpreting that correctly? How should I interpret it? etc., etc.. They are fighting for Hybels. . High five, yes, hug no. Yet Ive made my point. I really liked your comment. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. The mistake people make is thinking everything can go back to normal. It is now obvious to me why Ortberg not only believed the accounts of the other victims but why she advocated for them. Thank you for sharing your analysis of this! I have Every year for many years OT once and NT twice- every year. Dont get me started on how mega churches operate. Anyone who says otherwise or who tries to slam someone for not telling immediately just doesnt know what theyre talking about. I was deeply wounded and deeply burdened with guilt and self anger. Ive experienced it alsomultiple times. Please stop reporting about Jodis letter. He didnt want to stop and I have some doubts that he took it when all this stuff happened. It is when people naively do not realize that everyone has an agenda, not to be cynical, that they fail to ask important questions and perform essential (to them!) And theres nothing fundamentally wrong with that in the proper context. John Ortberg served (1994-2003) as teaching pastor at Chicagos Willow Creek Community Church. Sidenote: My (female) cousin took it personally one time when we side hugged her instead of a full hug! I know this because I have experienced it myself. Hybels appears to be trying to fade off into the sunset now. Please do some reading on sex abuse and harassment. It often makes for very lively and interesting discussions. When its someone you respect and trust, you dont expect aberrant behavior and you are surprised by it. Realizing it WAS NOT YOU. The faith grew. My mom was abused sexually. I definitely have pictures of my cat as a kid dressed up in doll clothes looking not super happy. Ruth Haley Barton, formerly of Willow Creek and trained at the very contemplative Shalem Institute for Spiritual Formation in Washington D.C., wrote Invitation to Solitude and Silence, and teaches contemplative prayer through her Transforming Center. I dont hug random people, but it doesnt bother me, unless it twitches over to creep territory. I agree. Thats the thing; note the commonality of the golden parachute disembarking in these cases. You searched for: Author: lynne hybels bill * It is about power and control and until people in churches get this, they will be waaaaay behind the culture. I tried to say disciplining. Thank goodness at least that at church when we pass the peace we literally clasp a hand briefly and say peace (literally that) and this is the entire procedure. I think the safest place for interaction is in public. It is as if they are trying to saysee! Messy as it might be, this is better I think. Finally, we are told to have high standards for our teachers. @ brad/futuristguy: Second guessing somebodys way of dealing with their own spouse is usually really wrong. Ummm-not exactly. It would be very nice if he went to each one of them with other unbiased witnesses, and came to understand how his behavior, even if it was misconstrued, had affected them and apologized it would be nice, but I know that sometime you have to conduct your own healing process, with the help of God of course, and others regardless of the abusers behavior. These things are often expected immediately in the Christian world. He needs nothing, needs none of us, but He loves us and makes us a part of His plan. But it is even harder when those left behind form a militia to hunt down and fire at anyone who dares to question the paradigm. Its up to the Willow Creek to distinguish themselves and so far, based on the comments here, they have not. http://www.dianelangberg.com/2018/04/dear-church/, Dee, my Sister Nancy Beach sent me this today. Was Hybels intimating that The Ambien made me do it? Read this account posted by Vonda Dyer. This is only the tip of the iceberg. (Likewise, it seems that women did not have clarity about reportable behaviors and were expected to handle it on their own.). Good night! For most, even for insiders (like I used to be, 2x an elder) it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself! And many of them are, perhaps a number that would shock us all. So, does that mean the alleged improprieties, at least for them, are not #Metoo worthy offenses? 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